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Poll: Should Salvation Army Bell Ringers Be Hushed at Fashion Island?

Charitable organization says that the mall doesn't allow bell-ringing, property owner says it's up to the stores, and stores indicate they're complying with mall rules.

The kettle bells commonly rung by Salvation Army workers outside stores and on streetcorners to draw attention to their charity work aren't ringing this year at Fashion Island.

They haven't been ringing for a couple of years, in fact.

The mall apparently disallows such attention-getters, and the Salvation Army workers aren't there to break the rules, according to a story originally reported in the Daily Pilot. 

The three Fashion Island bell ringers, which is their actual job title, are instead being referred to as kettle workers as they solicit donations this holiday season, according to Antonio Orta, a Salvation Army major.

A spokesman for the Irvine Company, which owns the property, told the Daily Pilot that allowing a bell ringer to ring his bell outside a tenant's door was up to the tenant, though managers at Bloomingdale's and Macy's were under the impression that they were just complying with mall rules.

Orta said that, as far as he knew, the Fashion Island location was the only one that disallowed bell-ringing. 

You can read the original story here.

KC December 24, 2011 at 08:59 PM
That isn't surprising considering that a lot of store owners are scared to death of the Irvine Company. They are one of the main reasons so many of the bars/clubs at the spectrum have failed and been replaced with retail stuff.
Rich Kane December 24, 2011 at 09:01 PM
I wonder if part of the reason is that the Salvation Army is a religious institution which has been accused of discriminating against gays and lesbians has something to do with it ... controversy tends to be bad for business. See this piece in today's New York Times -- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/us/beliefs-salvation-army-hears-dissent-over-gay-views.html
Tom guthrie December 24, 2011 at 09:52 PM
In a statement sent by e-mail later, Mr. Hood adds that "gay couples are to be treated in the same way we treat heterosexual couples." "Whether they are provided overnight lodging," he says, "is determined solely on capacity and availability of beds." Most beds in Salvation Army shelters are for men,but the Salvation Army has "been going through a transition of facilities over the past several years to expand bed space for women and also to isolate some private rooms for couples, whether they be homosexual or heterosexual." Basically, the man who refused them lodging made the wrong call. One person's mistake does not make an entire organization bad...
Edgar December 25, 2011 at 12:19 AM
The Irvine co. would screw up anything it touched so it's no suprise to me................
Stuart Milgrom December 25, 2011 at 02:22 AM
Are you kidding me? Break a tradition, that helps others and is a part of the season? Then blame it on the retail store owners. Thanks to only The Irvine Company. I know of no one else, so insensitive and self greedy. Welcome to the Irvine Company where one is for The irvine Company only!
Martin Henderson (Editor) December 25, 2011 at 05:26 AM
It does sound like a little bit of backpedaling by the property owner, doesn't it? It's as if someone called them on the carpet and asked about preventing the Salvation Army from ringing bells and to save face they respond, "Not us." Yet the stores surely couldn't have independently come up with the notion of it being against mall rules on their own ... could they?
Joker Joe December 26, 2011 at 06:06 PM
My mother always bragged about how the Salvation Army was the best during the 2nd WW. She said while other charities were charging the soldiers for stuff the S.A. was giving them stuff for free. I know that a lot of the donations money is given to help instead of corporate fees. I donate to them once a year although my mom passed away many years ago. Let them ring the bell. It will make the world a better place.
Joker Joe December 26, 2011 at 06:11 PM
Good for the Salvation Army if that is true. About time someone took a stand. I am not interested in one guy doing another. It is sick.. What's next? Getting it on with an animal and people saying it is o.k. Seeing two guys kissing or grabbing on each other also disgusts me. just sayin'
Jammin November 28, 2012 at 07:04 PM
They drive me crazy ad I have to listen to that noise 8 hours a day. I'll never again donate to them
Joker Joe November 28, 2012 at 07:22 PM
Jammin You don't have to listen to them 8 hrs. a day. Lift yourself up from the sidewalk and take a break every 1/2 hr. Then when you lay yourself down next to the kettle on the sidewalk it will be a new experience.

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